Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, left, talks with Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Oct. 10, 2013, as Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew testified before the panel to urge Congress to reopen the government and lift the U.S. borrowing cap, conditions President Barack Obama insists on before he will negotiate over the nation's budget ills. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)